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How strong was Gohan in the Android saga?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 03:58 PM (5,322 Views)
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 4 2013, 12:13 AM


Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
If some can logically explain Krillin going from 13k to 100K+, I'll be convinced.
It doesn't need one because it's right there in the manga. The explanation is that Krillin's power had been steadily growing because of Guru's potential unlock. Who cares if a fan doesn't think it makes sense?
Steadily growing does not imply he is strong, Guru unlock isn't some continuous power accelerator, if that is the case Krillin would be the strongest person at the end of Z.It merely unlocks all the potential you have at that moment, nothing more nothing less.It's a one time thing.


It's not explained if he's growing in power by a lot or little, he's a human so in his case little.Krillin has no plot device like the others period.

Vegeta has Zenkai
Piccolo merged with Nail
Gohan has Zenkai+Rage tantrums

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Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Steadily growing does not imply he is strong
The fact that he's help against Freeza is.
Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Guru unlock isn't some continuous power accelerator, if that is the case Krillin would be the strongest person at the end of Z
No, he wouldn't be, because he has limited potential. Guru unlocked Krillin's potential at the time of that moment, and it does it at a steady rate.
Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
It merely unlocks all the potential you have at that moment, nothing more nothing less.It's a one time thing.
While you're right about it unlocking only what he has at the moment, you're wrong about it happening all at once.

Looks like you've wriggled yourself into a tough spot. Now the burden of having to explain Krillin's rising power is on your shoulders.

Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
It's not explained if he's growing in power by a lot or little, he's a human so in his case little.Krillin has no plot device like the others period.
Except when he's literally stated to of help against an enemy who would manhandle a power of 60,000 which manhandled two powers well above 30,000....

Is it because he's Krillin? Haha, that's seriously the only reason I think you're trying to debate this anymore.

Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Vegeta has Zenkai
'kay

Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Piccolo merged with Nail
m'kay
Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Gohan has Zenkai+Rage tantrums
What's the point of you listing these again?

Btw, Gohan's was also steadily growing. Zenkais don't do that. Those are the one-time thing.
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Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 4 2013, 12:13 AM


Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
If some can logically explain Krillin going from 13k to 100K+, I'll be convinced.
It doesn't need one because it's right there in the manga. The explanation is that Krillin's power had been steadily growing because of Guru's potential unlock. Who cares if a fan doesn't think it makes sense?
Steadily growing does not imply he is strong, Guru unlock isn't some continuous power accelerator, if that is the case Krillin would be the strongest person at the end of Z.It merely unlocks all the potential you have at that moment, nothing more nothing less.It's a one time thing.


It's not explained if he's growing in power by a lot or little, he's a human so in his case little.Krillin has no plot device like the others period.

Vegeta has Zenkai
Piccolo merged with Nail
Gohan has Zenkai+Rage tantrums

Krillin was almost as strong as Gohan all the way until Gohan got his second zenkai during the fight with Vegeta (after that we don't get anything comparing the two). Up until then, they were close in power, despite Gohan getting a zenkai from his fight with Recoome.

It doesn't matter if you think Krillin had only a little potential at that point. That's purely conjecture on your part. He had enough potential keep up with a half-blooded Saiyan for the majority of the battles on Namek.

Also, the Daizenshuu states that Guru's ability only triggers the potential unlocking - it doesn't bring it out all at once. It was never said to bring the person to their limits either.

And these posts help:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302309&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302483&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302623&t=8294759
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Jan 4 2013, 12:37 AM
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Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
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Jan 4 2013, 12:13 AM


Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
If some can logically explain Krillin going from 13k to 100K+, I'll be convinced.
It doesn't need one because it's right there in the manga. The explanation is that Krillin's power had been steadily growing because of Guru's potential unlock. Who cares if a fan doesn't think it makes sense?
Steadily growing does not imply he is strong, Guru unlock isn't some continuous power accelerator, if that is the case Krillin would be the strongest person at the end of Z.It merely unlocks all the potential you have at that moment, nothing more nothing less.It's a one time thing.


It's not explained if he's growing in power by a lot or little, he's a human so in his case little.Krillin has no plot device like the others period.

Vegeta has Zenkai
Piccolo merged with Nail
Gohan has Zenkai+Rage tantrums

Krillin was almost as strong as Gohan all the way until Gohan got his second zenkai during the fight with Vegeta (after that we don't get anything comparing the two). Up until then, they were close in power, despite Gohan getting a zenkai from his fight with Recoome.

It doesn't matter if you think Krillin had only a little potential at that point. That's purely conjecture on your part. He had enough potential keep up with a half-blooded Saiyan for the majority of the battles on Namek.

Also, the Daizenshuu states that Guru's ability only triggers the potential unlocking - it doesn't bring it out all at once. It was never said to bring the person to their limits either.

And these posts help:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302309&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302483&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302623&t=8294759
I'm not gonna argue that Krillin didn't keep up with Gohan cause he did.It really doesn't matter if Krillin had 30k or 700k there is no official readings for him at this point.All I know is it took Gohan and Krillin to fight a 23k Ginyu, that is a fact
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 4 2013, 12:30 AM
Saiyan Femme
Jan 4 2013, 12:21 AM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 07:39 PM
Yamcha called Krillin the strongest Earthling.

Doesn't change in the Boo Saga.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8578262&t=8387412
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Why not take the only word we have? It's not as though it's contradictory to anything.
I just find it too unlikely, Tien not surpassing Krillin after training 7 years of training while Krillin didn't. It's not like we are comparing 7 years of Mr Satan training, or even Yajirobe, and it wasn't a short time, it was 7 frigging years. I doubt Krillin and Tien were even that far apart at the end of the Cell saga, Tien surpassing Krillin just makes more sense to me.

End bottom, if I thought Yamcha and AT's statements were based on evidence and thought through respectively, of course I wouldn't even be writing all this crap, but I don't think either were the case.
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IDK why AT would need evidence, but I thought it was something like that.
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lol I said "respectively", meaning Yamcha had no real evidence after 7 years of not seeing Tien and I don't think AT thought it through (I mean, the most relevant human in the Buu saga was Mr Satan by far, I doubt Trolliyama put much thought in who is the strongest of them).
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I skimmed it. I don't wanna read anymore today.

nothin says otherwise so boo 4 u. >:)
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Jan 4 2013, 01:03 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 4 2013, 12:37 AM
Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:31 AM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 4 2013, 12:13 AM


Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
If some can logically explain Krillin going from 13k to 100K+, I'll be convinced.
It doesn't need one because it's right there in the manga. The explanation is that Krillin's power had been steadily growing because of Guru's potential unlock. Who cares if a fan doesn't think it makes sense?
Steadily growing does not imply he is strong, Guru unlock isn't some continuous power accelerator, if that is the case Krillin would be the strongest person at the end of Z.It merely unlocks all the potential you have at that moment, nothing more nothing less.It's a one time thing.


It's not explained if he's growing in power by a lot or little, he's a human so in his case little.Krillin has no plot device like the others period.

Vegeta has Zenkai
Piccolo merged with Nail
Gohan has Zenkai+Rage tantrums

Krillin was almost as strong as Gohan all the way until Gohan got his second zenkai during the fight with Vegeta (after that we don't get anything comparing the two). Up until then, they were close in power, despite Gohan getting a zenkai from his fight with Recoome.

It doesn't matter if you think Krillin had only a little potential at that point. That's purely conjecture on your part. He had enough potential keep up with a half-blooded Saiyan for the majority of the battles on Namek.

Also, the Daizenshuu states that Guru's ability only triggers the potential unlocking - it doesn't bring it out all at once. It was never said to bring the person to their limits either.

And these posts help:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302309&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302483&t=8294759
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8302623&t=8294759
I'm not gonna argue that Krillin didn't keep up with Gohan cause he did.It really doesn't matter if Krillin had 30k or 700k there is no official readings for him at this point.All I know is it took Gohan and Krillin to fight a 23k Ginyu, that is a fact
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After Goku told them not to hold back for the sake of his body, they were doing just fine even as individuals. Gohan calls Ginyu's blast a "novice attack" as well. The gap is noticeable at the very least.
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Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
@ tien In Kai, Vegeta was more particular about Gohan power than Krillin's. I think it was a mere bluff on Vegeta's part about Krillin just to shock Frieza into thinking he could lose.Anything Vegeta say's shouldn't be taken too seriously as proven throughout the anime/manga.


Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.5-6, P14.1
Context: after Freeza and Vegeta grapple for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Freeza: “I see…Seems that wasn’t a complete lie…”
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”
Kuririn: “I-I see…! Since coming here Vegeta’s acquired such strength that he seems to have even further surpassed his limits…B-but…F-Freeza is oddly calm…Why?...”

Gohan and Krillin agrees with Vegeta , Why do you think that Vegeta is bluffing? Krillin and Gohan are relevant against Frieza 1st form , thats a FACT.
Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
@ pryro Vegeta/Krillin/Gohan vs Frieza is almost the same as Goku/Krillin/Gohan vs Vegeta. Krillin and Gohan is merely support, clearly


Its total different. Gohan and Krillin's chi are rising as a mfaka , Vegeta knows they are able to damage Frieza together , thats all.

Cobra
Jan 4 2013, 12:08 AM
If some can logically explain Krillin going from 13k to 100K+, I'll be convinced.


Piccolo feels that there are 3 huge powers , so I believe that Krillin should be 300K + atleast! Otherwise Piccolo would say I feel 2 huge powers and 1 weak power or something ( notice he puts Frieza as highest , then 3 fighters as high , that means those 3 are not far ahead of eachother)
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Jan 4 2013, 01:13 AM
lol I said "respectively", meaning Yamcha had no real evidence after 7 years of not seeing Tien and I don't think AT thought it through (I mean, the most relevant human in the Buu saga was Mr Satan by far, I doubt Trolliyama put much thought in who is the strongest of them).
Having Tien surpassing Krillin in Buu arc is no problem by our own logic sweety.
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Jan 4 2013, 01:05 AM
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Jan 4 2013, 12:30 AM
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 07:39 PM
Yamcha called Krillin the strongest Earthling.

Doesn't change in the Boo Saga.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8578262&t=8387412
tl;dr
Why not take the only word we have? It's not as though it's contradictory to anything.
I just find it too unlikely, Tien not surpassing Krillin after training 7 years of training while Krillin didn't. It's not like we are comparing 7 years of Mr Satan training, or even Yajirobe, and it wasn't a short time, it was 7 frigging years. I doubt Krillin and Tien were even that far apart at the end of the Cell saga, Tien surpassing Krillin just makes more sense to me.

End bottom, if I thought Yamcha and AT's statements were based on evidence and thought through respectively, of course I wouldn't even be writing all this crap, but I don't think either were the case.
Krillin is never stated to have not trained in 7 years. He's stated to have given up fighting and grew out his hair when he had a family. That's 4 years at most, and even then you would have to explain how manga 18 knows how to make a DD all of a sudden, as that implies they have trained together.

We won't touch movie or anime Krillin because we all know the statements fall in line perfectly with him.

I would just say that Krillin had an edge on Tien, that Tien had to close, and that it took 7 years to do so. I mean Vegeta has every advantage there is biologically and equipment wise, but he is still at best equal to Cell Games Gohan pre Majin. And Tien never had his potential unlocked, never was taught kaioken, and never had access to a partner as god as 18
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Daizenshuu 7
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This is a technique that draws out the dormant power that each person has. In The Eldest's case, he only triggers the drawing out of that person's dormant power; if there is no power sleeping inside that person, no change will occur. He is able to use this technique merely by holding his hand over the person's head. In the Elder Kaioshin's case, he is able to draw out a person's dormant power beyond their limits, but this requires him to do a dance, and takes over 20 hours.

That's for "Drawing out Dormant Power," which in this case fully supports what is blatantly shown in the manga, that the person's power doesn't jump out at all once, but gradually over an undetermined amount of time.
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